Well, may be its just me. Hopefully the FTE problem has a solution other than going to CCI 1640 FPS ammo. So far thats 100% not the case here. The solution is to check magazine and magazine release for proper engagement. The sleeve underneath the rear sight is missing: A specific sight uses an expanded roll pin to hold it in place. The three finger grooves on the grip also contribute to the excellent ergonomics. If I had to choose between the PPQ and a CZ, Glock, M&P, Steyr, XDm, the PPQ would lose every time. Jeremy I also have the same issue with my gun it is very picky about its ammo I can only shoot Remington golden bullets or CCI mini mags. I suppose it is a quality control issue, with the slide,rear sight alignment: I too have the issue with the rear sight almost out beyond the edge of the frame dovetail to get centered on target at 10 yardsmy 9mm P99 had no such issue at all. Walther has scored another hit with the PPQ M2, and it just might be their most innovative pistol yet. Both of these guns have pretty basic sight options from the factory. I purchased a Walther P22 when they first came out, a zinc slide? Youll find that basically everything about the ergonomics, controls, accuracy, reliability, quality, etc has carried over. I far prefer to check for a round in the chamber using the tactile methodworks in the dark, and without taking your eyes off of whatever they may be on. Dont know if we would upgrade to a S&W or Walter in 9mm later. Ive got ~2500 rounds through my M1 at this point. That resulted in a lot of FTE/FTFs and was like having a bolt-action pistol. Its a marked improvement over any other pistol Ive ever fired Especially the smooth trigger. Easy for me to rack the slide. Interested in getting a handgun? This release is also reversible; in a number of seconds, it can be refitted to accommodate a lefty. Now listen, just because the PPQ fits so well for me doesnt mean it will for you too. Rifled Barrel. The rounds seem to eject and feed fine, looking at the ejection port when the slide is stuck doesnt seem to reveal any issues there. PPQ M2 4-INCH 9MM Field Test. Nonetheless, a couple of compelling criticisms exist with the P99. Jeremy strives to collect objective data whenever possible, and looks to write accurate reviews that reflect the true user experience. If that were the case then my Neos wouldnt work, and neither would the Glock conversions. IIRC we did notice markings on the rim of the case to suggest this. Whats the difference? Barrel Length:Available in 4, 4 + thread adapter, or 5 with long slide. Jeremy is TTAG's Deputy Editor, working mostly behind the scenes but, when he attempts to write, he focuses on comprehensive gun & gear reviews. Now I can field strip the PPQ and put it back together again in an average time of 30 seconds. They all grouped much tighter with it. (Thats all I brought with me.) New. With the smaller mag it can be a bit of a handful, but I . Last winter, after 12 years of shooting this gun, the slide broke in two. Walther CCP M2 Serrated Trigger and Trigger Guard Checkering 3. Thanks for the info. All these amazing features make it one perfect casual outerwear to get compliments from your fashion friends. Its red and sticky. Oddly Aguila pistol match (925 fps) and RWS pistol target (also ~900fps) also did cycle well, though I only tried one box of each due to cost. The P22 has normal pistol style but is downscaled and much smaller, so you can still tell its a .22 mostly due to the tiny grip circumference. I was missing a .22 in my collection, I am Very Happy I chose this pistol. The pistol is too heavily lubricated: When your pistol is too heavily lubricated, it can cause failure to return to battery. I just uploaded another photo to the review that shows what this looks like (the very last photo now). Why wouldnt I just get a plentiful new or used GLOCK brand GLOCK for less $? To give you an idea of how well the Tenifer finish held up, this past summer and fall I packed the PPQ as my carry sidearm on everything from rough motorcycle/ATV trips in heavy dust to elk and deer hunting in torrential downpours up in Idahos wind chilly mountains. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. The reach to the trigger is comfortable and the trigger pull is light enough to be easy and controllable but heavy enough that it isnt hazardous for less experienced shooters. I hate when I shoot a lot of .22 LR and my thumb has a giant lead streak on it from loading bare lead bullets. Id recommend swapping the sights. I love this gun. With most modern service pistols, you can do a moderate amount of dry fire without snap caps. Impact on the plate is clearly heard each round meeting the target with force. No pistol has as shorter trigger pull than a 1911. No problems with mine at all. Im just saying. The basic maintenance and care include springs and parts that you should monitor every 5000 rounds or so. It is very astonishing for a .22. In .22 LR? Discover now the best deals and amazing prices. This may not bother some people, but it sure does irk me. I had never shot that round before. There are tons of options in .22 WMR (winchester magnum rimfire aka .22 Mag) for legitimately jacketed, not plated, bullets. Next, and my biggest issue with this gun is that the slide is consistently fails to return to battery or is delayed by half a second or so. Love Walther now. Also Read: Best Sights for Walther PPQ M2. Accuracy: * * * * * Failure to Feed or go into battery at all, with Winchester white box 115g ball after 300 rounds or so. Specifications: Walther PPQ M2 9mm. You have just enough time to get one if you want one. Any chance this would work with a walther PPQ 43 cal paintball pistol, guys? As mentioned before, it would be sweet if the Tactical version shipped with taller sights to clear a suppressor, but theyre the same sights as on the standard 4 model. Walther PPQ M2 OD 9mm. The P22 only good point was that during any use, you could repeatedly practice malfunction drills, that is if the slide did not fracture. She prefers it to the Glock 19 by a huge margin. My Sigs and H&Ks sit in my safe. I know that during WWII, Remington/UMC made corrosive-primed .22 LR FMJ for the War Department. What's more, the PPQ M2 has been updated with a new traditional reversible mag release button. According to the Walther website it IS zinc alloy, so somebody is wrong (and I hope its Walther???). Defective fire control assembly: If your guns fire control assembly is defective, it will fail to fire. The PPQ does have a machined aluminum slide. Walther PPQ M2 FDE 9mm. I just recently picked up a new Walther PPS M2 LE when gun buyers had their sale and I absolutely love the gun so far. I cant find if this gun is DA or only SA? Plus, the build quality inspires a higher level of confidence than the zinc alloy, farmed-out-to-a-BB-gun-factory norm. One of those moving parts is an internal hammer, which is a big divergence from the striker-fired centerfire models. From My personal experience, That Legendary Walther Warranty they advertise is not worth the paper it is printed on!!!. When the slide is in a particular position and you press the trigger, it will prevent the striker from cocking. We tried Brownings Performance yellow box and it shot terribly. The bullets in question are actually plated, not jacketed. It was a $250 target pistol. When the slide is forward, it looks like a normal barrel and you cant tell it is threaded. Unless someone else is making .22 LR FMJ? With its stellar accuracy and reliability, amazing ergos, and with how quiet and easy it is to shoot suppressed, the fun factor is way high here and that is why the only thing going home to Walther in this case is a check. The only thing i recall ever hearing, is some report having issues with the inside of barrel pitting. The front and rear flat-bottom slide serrations allow for a secure hold when pulling back the slide. BUY ONE. Just pull the slide back slightly as with Glocks or CZs and engage the takedown lever. Nor would gun sales have grown as they do when each department claims the Glock was the cause of an ND.only to kill a guy the next month learning to manipulate the super-safe Sig 227, Are you capable of safely dry-firing a pistol? And so on. The edge on the extractor claw may become rounded. So, if you dryfire a lot, you have to have snap caps or dummy rounds to take that impact from the firing pin. ThenI picked up and shot a PPQ. Disassembly of the PPQ is straightforward and easy to get used to. Took apart the striker assembly and noticed the spring looked . Alright, the dragons mouth on the end of the barrel is too awesome to ignore.just saying. No offense but are you kidding? Its possible that a .22 LR doesnt punch the slide backwards with enough authority to reliably cock a striker with a spring stiff enough to ignite a .22 LR (vicious cycle, that), whereas a hammer can have enough leverage on it to work, but thats just a guess as to why Walther made this change for the .22. Accounts of this are all over the internet. I was happy bc they sent me a brand new Mosquito. I finally sent mine in last week. In this case I chose to test out the PPQ .22 Tactical version, which comes from Walther with a 1/228 thread adapter. Since I am extremely happy with my 9mm PPQ, will I be satisfied enough with the 5 barrel on the PPQ .22LR regarding accuracy? This, coupled with the fact that many of those rounds were fired while Ive carried the PPQ in a holster as my sidearm in some wet and rough conditions, makes me well assured in its reliability. so, yes i am mad bro, but i just cant support bs biz practices. The Remington Thunderbolt did great. Ive even gone as far as worrying about the olgive on the ammo I buy. First check ammo, then magazines. One of the reasons I love my CZ Kadet Adapter .22 LR upper conversion for my SP-01 is that it allows me to shoot .22 LR with the same grip, controls, and trigger as my go-to pistol, and the PPQ .22 can also provide this kind of experience for centerfire PPQ owners. Yeah it sucks but for you to write what you did is ridiculous. Will try 25 yards next time. No? I wanted one in 9mm if there were no issues. Walther PPQ M2 Features. At any rate, they managed to do it with a minimal change to trigger quality and feel. The same adapter fits the PPK/S (which I also checked out a while ago). The subjective difference between a PPQ and a PPX is about $250. Hannah Anderson is a gun enthusiast. Most comfortable, accurate gun I have ever shot. Also the P22 and the M&P22 and probably others as well. A lot of that was due to the weapons ban of the 90s and restrictions that were put on the pistol for importing to the US. .177 Caliber Dual Ammo: Shoots Pellets and BB's Velocity: 495 FPS with Alloy Pellets Magazine: 16 rounds capacity double magazine (8x2) Smooth Bore Barrel Single/Double Action CO2 12gr Powered The P-430 CO2 powered air pistol shoots both .177 caliber pellets and BBs at 495 feet per second. True. I think this guy will be on the to get list. Dirty cambers or feed ramp: This problem can also occur when the chamber, the feed ramp, or both are dirty. The PPQ is my absolute favorite handgun to shoot at the range, but Id never carry one for defense given the ultra-fine reset. Ive put this pistol through a variety of conditions and all I see are a couple of very light scratches that take concentration to be noticed. It has quickly gained a reputation for being a fast and ergonomically focused firearm. Sights Stock. I debating between a PPQ and VP9sk and Im like my daughters at the shoe store as to which one I should get. $34.99 . They sent me a new slide in stainless/nickle and my gun in army green and black. I kinda discount the NEOS because it has a slide insert that reciprocates rather than the whole slide. Quick Reply to: These police are unionized. Its now pretty darn dirty, having shot about 400 suppressed rounds through it and another 50 or so unsuppressed and the factory oil and grease doing a good job of attracting carbon and other crud. In terms of overall application, I view the PPQ as an excellent alternative to the GLOCK 19. The version of the PPQ with a slightly longer trigger reset is called the VP9. Plus, theres other lead exposure from shooting bare lead bullets and it messes up the inside of your suppressor a lot more as lead will vaporize and fragment off from the hot gasses and going down the bore, etc. . Blowback Action. And by deficient I mean it's the same as every other polymer striker-fired handgun on the market. 9mm Pistol, Gun Review: Taylors & Company TC9 1873 SA Single Action Revolver, Classic Gun Review: Marlin Model 39 .22 Lever Action Rifle. The RWS was pretty accurate, but CCI SV is close and much cheaper. We love how there's now threaded versions and also versions that come with a laser. Try some better quality ammo like WWB. Check the PPQ forum at the Weather Forums. The 45AUTO version has had reported issues with the material quality of their barrels. Are you having problems with your Walther PPQ? Great gun, like the paddle mag release, love the trigger. The .22 LR version loses a star, however, for dropping the swappable backstraps of the centerfire models and for the slide catch lever that Im not entirely compatible with. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. I have also fired my own PPQ-M2 a few hundred rounds without any issues. We are planning to add a suppressor, a green laser and weapon light combo. The rail at front is of standard Picatinny format. I agree w/AR sniper. Here is the disassembly process for the PPQ: 2. Gun Review: Taurus GX4XL T.O.R.O. The PPQ M2 is a true breakthrough in ergonomics for self-defense handguns. Why this happens is mentioned below. According to Walthers web site, the PPQ M2 22 slide is die cast zinc, just like the P22. Your Walther PPQ might fail to feed. Width: 1.34 inches. To me the P99 AS might be the best 9mm pistol ever made. I have never seen anybody other than a new shooter double tap with 1911 or Browning Hi Power. TRUGLO TFX: Best Fiber Optic Sight. Its single action only. Failure to Feed. I was definitely pleased to see this PPQ run everything. Not totally sure though. I sent the pistol back, they fixed it. This looks perfect and matches my 9mm PPQ. That being said, shooting the PPQ is a blast! Walther said that is all they had because the gun (original version) is no longer made. So, to avoid this problem, check the magazine and magazine release for proper engagement. Most people are also going to prefer the American style mag release but I'm ok either way. It gives me a very secure grasp on the pistol. Adding to that, when racking the slide if I ride it forward, I can actually let go when I feel some friction and get the slide to stick on the barrel and it just overall feels super gritty racking the slide. You dont need to pull the trigger to strip it. Something I love in particular is the long, flat, slide stop/slide release lever, which is larger than the GLOCK, but completely ambidextrous. I would love to see how it performs in competitions in the hands of a pro. Magazine not properly seated: This problem occurs when you dont seat the magazine in the frame properly. If this problem occurs once in a blue moon, its because of the ammo, but its a broken extractor if it happens frequently. Really how hard is it to remove the magazine, confirm the chamber is empty (visually and tactically), and point in a safe direction and pull the trigger? When fired, it would fire correctly but the slide would not slide all the way back into place. Cant wait for it to arrive. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Generally, too heavily lubricated means that you have used a lube that was good in warm weather, but now, the lube gums up the gun in cold weather. Im going to go with keep the ramp polished. As for comparing triggers, all 1911 are single-action, and PPQ is a double-action pistol, you remember that, right? Obviously the 12-round mags are approximately 20% more fun than your typical 10-round mags, and this helps to make the PPQ M2 .22 LR insanely fun to shoot overall. The magazine well on the Walther PPQ M2 is really deficient. Incredible. potentially concealable Oh I also forgot Walther likes to use stepped chambers, so reloads aren't a great idea as they may stick in the chamber if they haven't been properly resized. The solution to this problem is to replace the front sight. They are pretty darn similar if you set them next to each other. glad it worked out,,,,nothing worse then a brand new gun with issues. Underpowered ammunition: The cartridge does not reach back to the ejector when the ammunition is underpowered. He lives outside of Austin, TX. Federal is a lighter charge like UMC, and some guns have problems with it. I have a PPQ 9mm that's never skipped a beat. Now for those who complain about pulling the trigger before disassemblywelldont you practice gun safety? When you up the slide stop and it just flops, and there is no spring tension keeping it down, then you know that the spring is broken. Have had the same issues with mine. Itd be nice if they made a PPQ M1 version, but I doubt thats going to happen. Im not going to name names but I dont, havent, and wont own basically any of the .22 LR pistols on the market that look like centerfire guns and function whereby the entire slide reciprocates. I am happy with this. The fix to this problem is to replace the ammunition. What ammo do you use on your PPQ M2? New From ShaloTek: P320 Compensated Slide, The 3 Most Important Handgun Shooting Stances to Learn, Gun Review: Taurus GX4XL T.O.R.O. Walther dropped the original PPS's unusual "QuickSafe" striker-disconnect feature. I for one say that in 10 years time the PPQ will be looked at as a icon here in America, just like the P99 is iconic in European countries. I made three attempts with Customer service. Looking forward one day to own an M1 9mm. So, make sure to use enough force. Below mentioned is the cause of this malfunction and its fix. To prevent this issue, keep fingers off the slide stop lever. Then in 2011, Walther changed the game again. Eh, just another GLOCK copy, you say? If the magazine tube is bent or deformed, the follower may not come. Slide feels a bit smoother, hopefully it will shoot fine. Squib load: You need to clear your barrel to get rid of squib load. A MIL-STD-1913 Picatinny rail comes standard on the dust cover. The slide is also marked CA. But I did put a new slide spring in with no change. However, if the PPQ stands the test of time and finds favor with the American shooting market, I suspect (and dearly hope) that Walther will little by little introduce new accessories and add-ons over the years. discussions around Walther firearms including but not limited to the PPK, PPK/S, PP, P38, PPQ, PPS, P99, PPX, CCP, PK380, P22, G22, WA2000, VG, G43, G41, MP, CREED, and Q5 Match. Discover now the best deals and amazing prices. The pressure generated by a .22 lr just doesnt require thicker steel. Ive long been too timid to say it, but yes, agree. Dirt or obstruction in striker channel: If there is dirt or any other obstruction in the striker channel of your PPQ, it will fail to fire. Turned out the firing pin was snapped in half, and the grip frame wasn't made right. Solid pistol for teaching first-timers (pending your opinion on manual safeties). and .4-inch travel. The simple fix to this problem is to clean the barrel, the chamber, and the pistol. Took apart the striker assembly and noticed the spring looked like this. Until that Element 2 is released from jail, however, Im using a 9mm can w/ fixed mount adapter (my Liberty Mystic) for all of my suppressed .22 LR shooting needs. I tried a box of the cheapest Federal value pack bulk though, Im not sure what velocity that is rated at. People develop the bad habit of registering their finger on the trigger in the mistaken belief that the little do-hickey is safety.. You never do that. I had a choice of the M1 or M2. Im pretty sure that slide is aluminum, and not any zinc junk. I can only imagine that the 5 version with its longer sight radius and fiber optic front (something Im used to from my competition gun) would be even better not that it would matter under like 30 yards, where I feel like Im basically incapable of missing with the PPQ .22. Wife shoots PPQ-M2 9mm 4" in IDPA and it has not given her any problems in many 1000s of rounds. 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