KING: Is the Johnny Cochran Brain Tumor Center -- we were there at its opening. Male. I think that cell phones are not risk-free. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, Simpson, who had expanded his career to acting since retiring from the NFL, was arrested in the summer of 1994 on charges he murdered his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson (search), and her friend Ron Goldman (search ). So surgery, at least to try to remove all of the tumor that we could see on the MRI scan, was not one of the initial treatment options. BLACK: No, no Larry, I'm not. But, basically, this is a tumor of the inner ear and -- there you go, Larry. And I think it's a great idea if you are worried about it. They got smaller, as you can see. They say that makes it the most safe. I use an earpiece now, as Dale Cochran talked about. who was arrested for speeding and later found dead in his cell. BLACK: other neurological problems. ", He said other members of his defense team also deserved credit for his acquittal, but added: "Without Johnnie running the ball, I don't think there's a lawyer in the world that could have run that ball. KING: All right, Dr. Gupta, Dr. Black says it's possible. A parody of Johnnie Cochran, he appears in the series' seventh through ninth seasons as Cosmo Kramer 's lawyer. Those words, referring to the moment when Simpson tried on a pair of bloodied gloves to show they did not fit, appeared to resonate. D. COCHRAN: I got concerned right away that he couldn't remember my telephone number. Their answer might surprise you and it's next on LARRY KING LIVE. Shapiro, who is white, had accused Cochran of playing the race card and of dealing it "from the bottom of the deck.". KING: People at CNN who saw a lot of him said he was on that phone a lot. Before doing that, I do agree with you. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) GUPTA (voice And thanks to his showmanship and the notoriety of the trial, Cochran was widely lampooned on late-night talk shows, "Saturday Night Live" and "Seinfeld. KING: So are you going to instruct the patient of your BLACK: I've instructed Dale D. COCHRAN: Oh, yes. It's a form of energy. KING: Did he know how serious it was? D. COCHRAN: I don't really like to use the word terminal. KING: More information go to what? Yet we know that we do. And I think particularly among young people who are logging, you know, thousands of hours KING: Teenagers? Each study may have some flaw to the study. In a trial that involved celebrity and domestic abuse, the Simpson trial became best known for dividing the country along racial lines. ", "It was fun. We don't know how we think and how processing in the brain results in appropriate speech, based on different functionalities at different locations of the brain. And there's really no good mechanism by which non-ionizing radiation can cause brain tumors. I knew that he had a very serious malignant tumor, but I didn't look at it in terms of being terminal. Cochran died of an inoperable brain tumor at his home in Los Angeles, his family said. "And I knew that accepting it good-naturedly, even participating in it, helped soothe some of the angry feelings from the Simpson case.". KING: It's a wonderful place and a great addition the health system in this country. But I think that it is a question that needs to be studied and examined along with other causes of brain cancer. These docs commented on the "Interphone study" in which thirty-five researchers from all over the world sought to correlate cell phone use with brain cancer incidence. Yet more controversy followed the lawyer when items from his personal life were publicly revealed. Rather than a tumor, he called his ailment a neurological condition requiring a procedure. BLACK: Well, the -- in the developing brain, you have a lot more dividing nerve cells and supportive cells in the brain. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cigarettes have surgeon generals warning on them. (END VIDEO CLIP) KING: Sanjay Gupta joins us. KING: Like Ted Kennedy had? ", "Johnnie Cochran was a true gentleman who embodied class, brilliance, honesty and integrity," Jackson said in a statement. So you can't run a comparison like tobacco and lung cancer, the user and the nonuser. GUPTA: Well KING: You had to be suspicious or why -- why bother with the earpiece? Now that we're back, I can't help but wonder, if the most important thing is finding treatments, then where was the outcry when the FDA tried to close down a Texas doctor who was successfully treating the disease? Prior to the diagnosis, he was constantly on his cell phone, but he held it to the right side of his head. According to TMZ, the Florida rapper currently has a warrant out for his arrest. BLACK: Again, I think the emissions from cordless phones in the house are very low, and I would be less concerned with those than cell phones. BLACK: Larry, typically no. A brain tumor killed the famed attorney and father of three at the age of 67. Contributors control their own work and posted freely to our site. During the early 1980s, he oversaw a settlement for the family of African American football player Ron Settles, who died in a police cell under questionable circumstances. DR. KEITH BLACK, NEUROSURGEON, CEDARS-SINAI MEDICAL CENTER, JOHNNIE COCHRAN'S PHYSICIAN: Larry, memory loss can be a cause of concern. KING: Dr. Black? Go to CNN.com/larryking and take our quick vote. This month, sadly, one of the parties in the case - famed attorney Johnnie Cochran - died. KING: Is that memory loss a major cause of concern, Dr. Black? It's a victory, really, for all of us. I can think back at least five years ago when Dr. Black wore an ear piece back then. GUPTA: Yes, you know, I think even Dr. Khurana, you know, he looked at existing studies. Born in Shreveport, La., the great-grandson of slaves, grandson of a sharecropper and son of an insurance salesman, Cochran came to Los Angeles with his family in 1949. KING: How do children's phones, Dr. Black, differ from -- children's brains, rather, differ from adults? And I spoke with Johnnie and also with Dale and they flew back to Los Angeles, where we did further diagnostic studies. ``I don't know why he turned against me, why he cut me off, why he would want to see me hurt,'' a tearful How did he become your patient, doctor? Hearst Magazine Media, Inc. Site contains certain content that is owned A&E Television Networks, LLC. One is that, you know, where there is smoke, there's fire, that's the old adage, right? I'm going to spin that brain around and take you to a very specific part of it. I'm sorry. THUN: I think it produces less emissions, but I think that this is a little bit missing the point. And, again, you know, although there hasn't been any definitive studies, there have been some studies that show a correlation between the side that you use a cell phone on and the side that you use KING: If it's the left side, you're going to get it on the left side? No one mentioned any study demonstrating the efficacy of either ear pieces or holsters, nor apparently considered whether radiating the region of the hips and sexual organs is preferable to radiating the brain. But there is a concern out there and I think people need to be careful. KING: Thanks, Sanjay. This is a phone people probably became most familiar with. Now beyond that, Larry, when Dr. Thun talks about no rise in the published incidents rates of tumors in Sweden, the strongest studies that have pointed towards links between cell phones and brain tumors have, in fact, come from Sweden. The science would suggest that they were actually all safe. D. COCHRAN: Yes, you were. Cochran penned the books Journey to Justice (1996) and A Lawyer's Life (2002). By the time Simpson called, the byword in the black community for defendants facing serious charges was: "Get Johnnie. And I would under -- I would hope that most people are aware of what that is. KING: Thank you so much, Dr. Sanjay -- Dr. Sanjay Gupta. WebIn a very very very best case scenario, like im talking Johnny Cochrin type lawyer and odee lack of evidence and a super soft hearted judge, the minimum sentence kay can get is 15 years from the judge if he considers all these mitigating Like And we immediately went to see a doctor in the next day or two. THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. I think that there are always surprises when you have a new technology and you have hundreds of millions of people using them. Pratt was convicted in 1972. KING: You are watching LARRY KING LIVE. Is that really safe? Simpson as a not guilty verdict is read in a Los Angeles courtroom in this file photo taken Oct. 3, 1995. He was 67. It's not uncommon in science to have conflicting articles. KHURANA: OK, Sedesky (ph) from Israel, the Israel arm of Interphone, this is what she says: "a positive dose response trend was found. We want to do everything we can to find out if there is a link. And congratulations to Jeff in Freemont, Nebraska. I was innocent, but he believed it. They had performed some studies, MRI scans. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. A judge reportedly issued the warrant on Thursday, KING: You can contact the Johnny Cochran Brain Center at Cedars- Sinai. GUPTA: They say, use it. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) JOHNNIE COCHRAN, ATTORNEY: If it doesn't fit, you must acquit. This big white mass, that is what's an acoustic neuroma -- a tumor of the specific nerve in that inner ear area. We don't have a mechanism and that's a big stumbling block at the moment. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If it is conclusive that it can cause brain tumors, then I think there should be some sort of a warning. And others have said the same thing. Death. BLACK: I actually received a call from Johnnie's assistant, as Dale indicated, concerned about his difficulty with memory and also some difficulty with speech. And, you know, when we were -- when I was researching for the book that you and I talked about, I looked into all of this. His family was by his side and he had been in a hospice, Epps said. That is what they recommend. Dr. Thun, do you think this one is safer than that one? Just to orient you, the eyes are going to be up here, the ear is going to be over here. But there's no reason to worry because so far, the studies haven't proven anything. BLACK: We did a biopsy, yes. And it was unrelated to the subsequent tumor that he developed. KING: They come with the phone. He's in Canberra, Australia. KING: What was the treatment? The trial of the century, as it was dubbed, began in January 1995 and was among the most publicized in history, followed by millions around the world. And you're putting a heat source, essentially, close to your ear, close to your brain for, you know, again, long periods of time, depending on how long you use it. So, you know, tumors that are closer to that area may be more likely. Legal Statement. Thanks, Louis Slesin, for being with us. "I didn't know too much about what a lawyer did or how he worked, but I knew that if one man could cause this great stir, then the law must be a wondrous thing," Cochran said in his book. DR. MICHAEL THUN, AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY: The way I think the best way to look at this is keep an open mind, but also be very aware of what we know and what we don't know. Cochran is survived by his second wife, Dale Mason; his son, Jonathan Cochran, from a prior relationship; his daughters Tiffany Cochran Edwards and Melodie Cochran, from his first marriage; and sisters Pearl Baker and Martha Jean Sherrard. The food -- by the way, we'll show you a screen effect here. If you heard any specific references to brand names of cell phones tonight, they are just representatives of cell phones in general, and not indicative that any brand would be more likely to cause health problems. WebJohnnie Cochran lost his fight against brain cancer earlier this year. When Cochran helped Pratt win his freedom in 1997 he called the moment "the happiest day of my life practicing law.". He's chairman of the Department of Neurosurgery, director of the Maxine Dunitz Neurosurgical Institute at Cedars-Sinai. Both defense attorneys Robert Shapiro and Johnnie Cochran believed from the outset that Simpson was guilty, Toobin says. Robert Bray appears as Major Cunningham. I would like to point you to the long-term data that's coming out of the Interphone studies. D. COCHRAN: Yes. Cochran died in Los Angeles March 29, 2005 after a long illness. KING: Dr. Black, from the place where Johnnie's tumor was, was that at a place where it might be near where a cell phone would operate by the ear? First, Dr. Schwartz, we don't even know how we think. Speaking of last night, our "American Idol" contest winners, Laura from Morgantown, West Virginia, she knew the complete set list. It doesn't fit. In 1978, Cochran once again became part of the citys legal force when he joined the Los Angeles County district attorney's office, although he eventually returned to private practice.