This year, State Senator Don Harmon needed IFMA to end their opposition to his bill. you cant fix prices or youll get a shortage. I bought 6 smith & wessons before I ever knew about the incident. Also, RRA derives the bulk of its money from government and LE contracts so youll have a really hard time bankrupting them with a civvie sales boycott. There are more corrupt justices out their than honest ones. Theyd screw over their grandmother for a dime. Whats left after the hate which never leaves? and thats where the idea of 10 round limit for magazines originated,right from the mouth of Bill Ruger. Magpul moved. When you need mags that you can count on with each and every shot, make sure you turn to Rock River Arms! The vast majority of companies can do what they want to, but have have to insist that firearms companies fight for the 2nd EVEN WHEN ITS NOT IN THEIR COMPLETE SELF INTEREST TO DO SO. Pick something and follow it. And no one calls or emails the company that is one of the largest contributor the IFMA group. Well, said. Which would help with elimination if in the future. They use forged parts and at least the Chinese are honest to let you know where the parts come from (China) whereas with Springfield it is a toss-up where the parts are made (I heard from Taiwan, Canada, even the Czech Republic!!). Sure, the majority will be DOA, but blue and swing states will see this get passed using this an example of good gun control that even firearms companies support. I think it was meant to be used with gloves on only. Ive heard of them canceling orders. It doesnt have to be both for the same reason. Huh? That being said, even if we do, Springfield is done as a company. I was just about to order another springfield xdm .45. If people werent buying at these prices than there would be no market. You can not name another firearms manufacture today that has done more than Ruger to support the NRA, the 2A and firearms owners. It will make my future purchases easier because two manufacturers are automatically removed from my search and consideration. Ive never had an issue with CTD in a decade. If anyone from SAs Corporate Communications department happens upon this post, please get this in front of Dennis Reese and let him know that his actions are shameful, and that he has just traded his honor for a paycheck. Fuck them for gouging desperate buyers. I have to say this really makes me mad. Not cheap by any stretch of the imagination, but check out Fulton Armory: http://www.fulton-armory.com/M14-Rifles.aspx. This product has an average rating of 4 stars out of 5 stars from 3 ratings. Springfield, on the other hand, has gone silent. The rights of citizens that theyve agreed to negotiate away will NEVER be restored. There is NOTHING I need from a company that is obviously manipulating the system for themselves. Had it in the cart at buds ready to buy tomorrow and now it definitely is not going to happen. Ive refused to buy S&W products since then, with the sole exception of a Model 640 Pro .357 Magnum, which lacks the damned thing. About three years ago, RRAs Elite Operator hit the market sporting features designed specifically for professionals. RRA IS THE ONLY COMPANY THAT CAN MAKE A RELIABLE AR-10. Have been eyeballing the SA Saint the last couple weeks. Very close to where I grew up. Now for 2022, the company ups the game for hunters with the introduction of the All-Terrain Hunter (ATH) , a mid-length rifle that stands tall in the field of AR-platform hunting rifles. An American didnt screw all other American gun-owners. Thats how capitalism works. You can learn to make good parts on a CNC a lot faster than on a Bridgeport or SouthBend. The ATH V2 comes with an 18-inch, stainless steel, A big reason that these rifles shoot so well is the barrel. The barrels Rock River use come from the Connecticut-based company, Wilson Arms (wilsonarms.com). Wilson makes the barrel, contours it and starts the chambering process. Chill out and stop trying to ruin a great company. This will damage Springfield Armorys brand nation-wide, in a business where reputation is everything. Seems like a stand up guy to me. After further review, Rock River Arms, Inc. (RRA) is immediately severing all ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). We feel that IFMAs integrity is compromised and we will not be a part of the organization. At least Henry, like Ruger, is 100% American. When a big box store is competitive on price with the local gun shop, you know there is a problem. When you sell high dollar items like firearms, it is really, really, unbelievably stupid, to piss off your customer base at rebate time. Rock River Arms built its reputation on quality semi-automatic AR-pattern rifles and 1911 handguns. But I didnt detect a lot of love in his words. These lobbyists arent in business to protect gun owners or the Second Amendment. in some cases they are just as passionate about their brands. Dont need it, but I kinda like it. Here I was just falling in love with my SA 1911 Loaded. Katrina gun confiscation showed us what any civil conflict will have as the belligerents, LEOs / Feds posing as LEOs giving you a hard choice.and a few Bundy-style standoffs. Sadly, some of the collar county Repubs arent so much. That said, this just breaks my heart to see this moron Reese damage the brand. Easy there tough guy. If theres something worse than a fanboy, its a fanboy fudd. Enjoy 45% Off Rock River Arms Goods At Walmart. WebRock River Arms creates high quality rifles and pistols on the AR platform. Divide & conquer. My sprinters were not seeing much action lately. Their entire C Suite should resign and they need to prove themselves. The dimensions and leade of the .223 Remington minimum C.I.P. However, again I wasnt really in the market to add anything else from their company to my safe anyway. Its like trying to work with Bloomberg himself. Springfield can drop dead, Ill support gun manufacturers who support me. They keep voting for F#$%ing Democrats. Its sad but it happens. The Springfield name is going to carry an odor, no matter how good a particular firearm might be. Rock River Arms is one of the largest manufacturers of AR-15 rifles in the United States. RRA is pretty close to Iowa iirc. Ruger today is a strong supporter of everything 2A. Specifications and Features: Rock River Arms AR-15 Magazine AR0116N30 .223 Remington and 5.56 NATO 30 Round Capacity Anti-Tilt Follower Proven Reliability Oh yes, the Senator behind the bill has many skeletons, http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/illinois-state-senator-don-harmon-law-firm-makes-millions-from-state-agencies-pension-funds-the-watchdogs-oak-park/. This would appear to be financial suicide by Springfield. WebRock River Arms LAR-15 Fred Eichler Predator 223 Remington/5.56 NATO AR15 Semi Auto Rifle $ Remove from Compare Add to Compare. I dont think youre using that word right. I would have called my lawyer, the NRA and a publicist. I totally agree Travis. In the world of .308 Win. The company is based in Genesco Illinois, near Chicago. Were pulling out of IFMA and regret that this happened. Could be paperweights. Probably hard now to sell it for half what you paid if at all. No sane company would move in to Illinois unless it was to curry political favor in Chicago as Boeing moving their HQ (no production) did. And the law mainly affecting small businesses, thats a feature, I think, not a bug. Theres no way to know for sure. RRA looks pretty darn guilty or pretty darn incompetent. If they pull funding from the group well have some decent evidence that they didnt and dont support this carve out and are catching crap for something which they had no part in creating. When I found out that they hire Vets to assemble and test them, it was icing on the cake and I got one for low $400s. Posted: 1/27/2021 10:51:01 AM EST. S&W was owned by a British company who were forced to sell their company for pennies on the dollar. You see once you jump in bed with the marketing types and throw millions at image you quickly discover that your rudder fell off long ago and now youre not sure what you stand forif anything. Do they somehow know the licensing scheme is going to be corrupt or extremely expensive? Great grip and trigger. And whats worse, if it passes, Bloomberg will attempt to duplicate this legislation in all 50 states. If CTD notices panic buying, shuts down their site and reprices everything, thats their right. Thank God we have a Rural King now here local. Two? I am happy with my Polytech. Looked at a custom SA 1911 before purchasing an STI. Fight it. Rock River Arms (RRA) has introduced a new AR-style rifle to its lineup, designed specifically with the modern hunter in mind, with the new All Terrain Hunter (ATH). How many model airplanes can I buy, sell or trade in one year? How did the unveiling of the new pistol go? You are both dead to me now. Even if its expensive, SA is in a better position to pay the fee than Hank and Ethels gun shop. They have no ethics. In the former case its a matter of not really understanding the client and in the latter its a case of assuming that its better to ask for forgiveness than to beg for permission. No lobbyist will take a position without their clients approval, because THE CLIENT PAYS THE LOBBYISTS SALARY. CTD are dirtbags plain and simple. We need more FFLs down here so there will be some competition. The news of Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms selling Illinois gun dealers and gun owners down the river continues to spread among The People of The Gun. Watch the TonyBen videos on YouTube. An M1A was at the top of my wish list that I saving for. Boom. WebRock River Arms LAR-15 LEF-T 5.56mm Tactical Operator AR-15 Left-Handed Rifle Notify Me When Available; Brand: Rock River Arms; Item Number: LH1278; Rock River Arms LAR15 One dealer told me hes pulling Springfield product from his shelves to give his salespeople a break from carping customers. County fairs? Shocking I know. Includes larger .1555 MSRP: $111.99 $75.81. And by the way, sarcastically calling people badasses loses its effect when you get so butthurt by an article that you start calling the author a pu$$y. Low character move. Not to mention that when S&W colluded with Clinton they were owned by the British engineering firm Tomkins. Weve been busting our asses to support our friends and punish our enemies. Thankfully, we still have two more chances to stop this travesty of a bill. Springfield Armory is a dishonest operation from stem to stern. Screw that. Damage done. Youve just restated Bill Rugers justification for selling out gun-rights so he could keep his company viable. Last Updated. But I struggle with the NEVER AGAIN WILL I EVER SUPPORT THIS COMPANY. I have an SA Profesional that I really like and was strongly considering a Custom Carry, but this turn of events gives me a real pause to that idea. It is in between 5.56 and .223, but will safely shoot both. I would sell the xd .45 and the xdm 9mm I already have but I dont think there is much of a market for them now. Out of stock. Ive gotten good deals and free shipping on Handguards from CTD. Probably go back to looking at CZ and Walther offerings. By the time most of them have and Springfield Arms starts looking for a new home, they wont be welcome there. Its real easy for you people to bash a company when you dont own shit. If one of them didnt actually know about this then thats really not fair. Because of rumors of canceled orders. As an Illinois dealer, I will no longer stock, sell or support Rock River Arms or Springfield Armory products. Advertise their treachery. AR Parts. I only want American Made firearms like Henry & Ruger. With support like that, who needs Everytown? In order to try to get a lock on about 1.6 million FOID holders in Illinois, Springfield has angered the other 80 million gun owners in the rest of the nation. Ive spoken with a couple of bigger dealers in Illinois in the past 24 hours. I bought a RRA rifle back in 2012. The local ones are more like highway bandits than gun dealers. You probably also found out that at least bizapedia reports that the IFMA was dissolved. Springfield Armory today is a strong supporter of everything 2A. RRA will wind up being an LE only shop. The response was to Mark about the others being vastly superior, not your comment. 2nd Amendment Supporters are up in "Arms" pun intended about the News broken by The Truth About Guns article concerning recent state licensing for all Illinois gun dealers that IFMA (Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association) a lobbying group back by Springfield Armory and Rock River Perhaps a company thought they could pull a fast one and nobody would notice. So, youre not buying a bunch of Springfields new pistols? I asked one. Local politicians always give tax incentives to move. The firearms community will be better without them. Brownells, Midway, Primary arms, Rainer, Wing Tactical, and SG Ammo are my favorite online retailers. 3/18/2013. Ruget supported the ban on high capacity (ie standard capacity) mags as it favored their line of sporting rifles like the mini-14. How does a company respond to pernicious laws and an atmosphere which is detrimental to the People of the Gun? I have LOUDLY mentioned their treachery on the dozens of FB groups I belong to. business or not your customers are your lively hood. Be everywhere until the bill is toast. I was a dedicated 1911 guy and really wanted to stick with something with a grip safety like the EMP contour or even the R-51. Keyboard commandos wont fight it out on any battlefield. So an opportunity to block others selling in Illinois seemed like a quick and dirty way to make a few more bucks. Apples and suspension bridges here. NOW all I can think is SHAME ON YOU!!!!!! Lots of work. The Henry ri fle was made by the New Haven Ar ms Company. From what I gathered from this article and all the information I viewed about this organization its hard to say just how much control SA and RRA has over the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association. If your going to bash or boycott one then bash and boycott all. Yuge. Go and ask them and Youtube/Periscope their responses. Fuck Ruger as well. More recently, they do this big Saint countdown/reveal that just ends up being Another Entry-Level AR-15, just what the market needed. I sent an email and their response was the parts were out of stock. Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins.. I used to love my Springfield XDM and M1a national match. And dont give me this they have changed nonsense. In your opinion. No more. Not saying you have to like what happened, but its soviet Illinois, it was going to happen with or without their opposition. Wow, the article on Reese is incredible. Illinoying is pushing to get shut down. So many good options, why buy from jackasses. I just bought an EMP 3-inch. Even cosmetologists and lawyers. Or how much it was going to take to replace them? I have a Rock River PDS carbine. I know people who continue to not buy Ruger even after his kids made up for the old mans traitorous ways. Smith and Wessons deal with the Klinton regime also brought us the infamous and deplorable hillary hole internal lock. Springfield and Rock River Illinois Sell-Out: Picking up the Pieces, Quote of the Day: The Johnny Appleseed of Ghost Guns, Defendant Agrees Appeals Court Should Uphold Injunction Blocking New Yorks Law Banning Carrying Guns in Sensitive Places, State, Federal Lawmakers Trying to Put the Brakes On Credit Card Companies Tracking Firearm Purchases, Chicagos Failed Mayor Lori Lightfoot Loses in Reelection EffortBadly, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Repeating_Arms#History, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Repeating_Arms_Company#Early_history, http://www.fulton-armory.com/M14-Rifles.aspx. As the old adage goes, put up or shut up. Good for them. Somehow, I get the idea the House will be a cakewalk for any anti-gun bill compared to the Senate, which this one has already passed. At the same time, Rock River Arms began to build AR-15 style rifles. Rock River Arms also produces M1911 pattern pistols, bolt-action rifles, and AR-15 style pistols in assorted calibers. [5] [6] Typical narrow minded hypocrites. After Bill Ruger died, Ruger also dramatically changed direction. Wasnt sold on DAO until I shot it. But do they double down on their error (Target) or put things into place that not only fix the error but make them new and better than ever. If workers still want a job, its a reasonable commute. If you know youre going to lose 50% off sticker driving something new off the lot, odds are you keep looking. Folks like me are willing to kill for them. Several other really good CCs out there too if you want one of the big mfgs. WebCoyote Carbine Upper Half LAR-15M .300 AAC. How did Ruger even survive to do a turn-around? A whole lot of gun owners see the deal as a sell-out. That is only if Springfield Arms survives this. Good grip, low muzzle flip/recoil, ambi controls, no mag safety and very easy to strip/reassemble. God Bless America, As a dealer I will no longer suggest either one of these firearm companies to my customers or stock them there are many other fine firearms on the market. Hinterland #: 50977; MFG #: MT1800X; In stock. Is there a list somewhere? Smith and Ruger more than compensated for erroneous thinking. (This is in response to Mark). Sadly I have two. Under no circumstances would they sell me any magazines. Find Senators and Representatives in close political battles last election and get their previously defeated opponents on board. ! mantra. For those who missed it, we broke the story late Thursday evening. Everyone (hopefully) recognizes that Bloomberg et al use bad legislation in NY and elsewhere as models to sell to politicians elsewhere, hence the need to use all available legal avenues to demonstrate the fallout from such actions. Done. See below for more information. So I have to ask. Indiana has a good climate for manufacturers of firearms, and I wouldnt mind seeing a few more ffls open up shop near me in Northwest Indiana, either. Colona, IL (May 2020) Rock River Arms, one of the industry leaders in AR-platform firearms, expands its line of defensive semi-autos with the introduction of the RRAGE 10.5-inch pistol. Beretta kicked Maryland to the curb for their ridiculous gun laws. Rock River LAR-8 .308. I bought my first Rock Having this blow up the day before a brand-new product launch at the NRA convention is basically the exact opposite of fortuitous timings for Springfield. Springfield cleaning to get the taint out of there. As a collector of modern handguns, I was very interested in Springfields new XD-E and was hoping to find one as soon as they became available until all of this political posturing took place in Illinois (I live in neighboring Indiana). Since you researched IFMA you also noticed that the $100K was the ONLY money they had in their account, donated by only two companies, SAI and RRA. Its pretty much just SA and RRA (and maybe a few tiny shops, but those are pretty much the only two big gun makers in Illinois). After the next civil war, we wont allow another one. Last trip to the range, ran a couple hundred rounds of all flavors through it without an FTE/FTF. If signed into law, the bill his lobbyist declined to oppose will drive many dealers out of business with its onerous and expensive restrictions and requirements. job creation they call it (bribery is such a dirty word). When the Maryland Leftistlature passed the odious Gun Safety Act of 2013, making it illegal to purchase many of the firearms made by the venerable Beretta concern, they responded by building their new facility in Tennessee, giving Maryland a stalwart raised middle finger and taking a considerable amount of tax revenue with them.. Ive not the least doubt that the rest of Beretta will eventually follow. Now I wish I had not. Good luck with that RRA. Never bought anything Springfield Armory, never will! In my collection i have a M1A, a Socom 16, a XDM in 45 and a XDmod2 in 9mm. Im both an Illinois resident and a SA collector with over half of my collection being custom and box SA products. What gets me is there has been plenty of time and opportunity for damage control or to save face but they havent done anything to fix what theyve done. Thats kind of where Im at as well, REALLY pissed Im not going to be buying the Socom II Ive been saving for. RRA models, like the RRAGE, LAR15, BTB, ATH, LAR68 & Light Mountain, are available in many different color options and calibers. Neither will have the working capitol to sustain a relocation. I just wish there was a good M14 clone I could get. Apparently, John Smith isnt an advocate of the constitution or specifically the second amendment. chamber also differ from the 5.56 mm NATO chamber Such a thing exists. This is income tax refund time. I think that if gun owners boycotted every company into oblivion that had to compromise at some point there wouldnt be any gun manufacturers around. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Springfields CEO on the other hand, either through stupidity, hamhandedness or outright lying has seriously damaged his company. 84283412342. I hope that it will bankrupt them, for it appears to be the only way these gun companies will learned to to alienate their comsumers. Rock solid performer. It happens ALL THE TIME, and with companies much larger than RRA. Oh, hell no, he told me. Thank you for bringing this issue to the forefront. Meaning they are NOT a legal lobbyist. An xdm9 and a 1911 loaded. Theyre sole purpose is to protect their own interests. Id like to see Springfield make a correction here but it might be too late for that. F$&@ Ruger too! Rock River Arms has built a reputation as a quality maker of modern sporting rifles and offers an extremely diverse list of models and options. I look at their site and the parts were available from the same warehouses at a higher price. The RRA LAR-15 is a quality gun, in just about any configuration you can come up with. Obviously Springfield and others have not learned this lesson and are going down the same road. The idea being that this bill is so toxic that Senators passing it or the Governor signing it will be drawn into a wide-ranging financial and criminal probe. Whats the hangup for SA? They must be put out of business for their treachery. Wrong. That is amazingly It might not have, but then again, if Senator Harmon didnt think it wouldnt have gotten himthat last vote or two he needed, he wouldnthave offered the deal. Rock Bolt Gun Rbg-1s Starting At $4,450. With all the gun control in northern Illinois how the hell can they screw all of us like this! I considered buying an XDs when I was looking for a conceal carry, glad I bought something else. Larson first said Rock River Arms had broken ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturing Association which is only a four member board. But theyve already heard from their customers about the IFMA sell-out. If this bill actually passes, I think the hit should be pretty severe. People are watching everything the government and companies are doing now. And their ammo prices were astronomical. I read somewhere that there is a city named Springfield in almost every state in the Union. If you sell more than 9 guns per year, you are in the business of selling guns. 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